koganbot ([info]koganbot) wrote,
@ 2008-05-16 12:56:00
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Current music:Dude N Nem "Watch My Feet"
Entry tags:bosh, juke, taxonomic agony

So, is there a distinctively American bosh?
So, is there a distinctively American equivalent to bosh? Seems to me that snap and bubblecrunk and Houston's screwed 'n' chopped thing and whatever it is they call the stuff from Memphis all have potential but are probably too not-completely unearnest underneath and just not hysterically boshin' enough. The closest to a bosh equivalent might be juke. Or maybe if you sped up Miami bass.

But bosh is more embracing than I think juke is.


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[info]katstevens
2008-05-16 08:05 pm UTC (link)
The only American dance music* I really know anything about is Detroit Techno (a sub-genre all of its own!). That's way too Serious to be included in the same bracket as Scooter, but I'd still call it bosh. However I think that's not quite the question you're asking.

*i.e. 4x4 beats of 130bpm and up

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[info]cis
2008-05-16 08:34 pm UTC (link)
I think the juke works more as a US equivalent to jumpstyle than to bosh-as-a-whole -- the current Scooter album has obv got a lot of jumpstyle in it (even in the name!). A youtube jumpstyle search shows that you could jumpstyle dance to almost anything, but jumpstyle-the-music shares that particular very strong slapped-down beat, between 140 and 160bpm.

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[info]koganbot
2008-05-16 08:51 pm UTC (link)
Well, clearly jumpstyle is just a bagpipe or two away from riverdance.

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[info]cis
2008-05-17 05:02 am UTC (link)
That bagpipe or two, in full:
- new and continental-european rather than "traditional" irish: roots probably as much in skanking/moshing/gabba dance as anything else.
- riverdance is made up of controlled small movements: jumpstyle is wide kicks, huge leg swings. one's tight, the other's quite wild.
- riverdance is follows bars and phrases in the music where jumpstyle only recognises the beats: a lot of jumpstyle moves are five beats long in four-four music.

the one-on one too-kicking version of jumpstyle is very reminiscent of trad eng morris dancing though.

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entirely unrelated to the americo-bosh question by now
[info]cis
2008-05-17 08:28 am UTC (link)
that was 'toe-kicking', above.

i really think the 'five beats long in four-four music' point is very important: I found jumpstyle vids very confusing, at first, because i really think in terms of bars and phrases, and while it was clear to me they were jumping on the beat I couldn't work out what the pattern was, what the point of repetition was. (as a child i had the same problem with the 'saturday night' dance, which is five moves long over four-bar phrases, so only after five repetitions are you back with the first bar of the phrase). I always think of four-four as stressing the first beat: that part of the appeal of house is the way that if you drop out you can always find your place, not just within the bar but within the phrase, not just within the phrase but within the section, not just within the section but within the whole track, not just within the track but within the set. But jumpstyle dancing starts on the first beat and then deliberately shifts out of phase: the only authority it recognises is each individual beat, and the pre-arranged set of jumps that are going to be made.

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Re: entirely unrelated to the americo-bosh question by now
[info]koganbot
2008-05-17 01:58 pm UTC (link)
Gah! It's my look to run into someone who knows what she's talking about!

Actually, this is fascinating. How would you compare jumpstyle to juke? I was going to say that the latter seemed to have way more subtlety and variation, with motions that are just as precise but don't look nearly as rigid. But the five-beat dance against a four-beat rhythm of jumpstyle is fascinating, as I just said - throws counterrhythm into the works.

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Re: entirely unrelated to the americo-bosh question by now
[info]koganbot
2008-05-17 02:00 pm UTC (link)
That is, it's my luck to run into someone who knows what she's talking about. (Sorry, the word-processing part of my brain is functioning more like a food-processing part of my brain as I get older.)

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[info]koganbot
2008-05-16 08:58 pm UTC (link)
And I've always liked the dance interval in the middle of this one.

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[info]weasel_seeker
2008-05-16 11:54 pm UTC (link)
Ok. Juke has been confusing me for about a week now, so this seems to be as good a point to put forth a query as any other.

What do we mean by juke? Do we mean"juke house" which is the only wikipedia-ish music type juke definition I could find? Dave described Keke Palmer's So Uncool, which I finally discovered this week as juke-pop, and it mentions juking a fair bit. And then there's that youtube video you just linked to.

A measure of clarification for an obtuse listener would be greatly appreciated.

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[info]koganbot
2008-05-17 06:43 am UTC (link)
How about if I answer with a firm "I don't know"?

On the other hand, I've got some juke links here.

I think the only juke-relevant track on So Uncool is "Footwurkin'."

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Gots ta work your feet, indeed.
[info]weasel_seeker
2008-05-17 05:12 pm UTC (link)
Fair enough. If sonically that's the only one that fits the template, that goes a fair distance to helping me puzzle this out. She certainly mentions juking on three or four tracks, but singing about /=/ is.

Impressive videos.

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Re: Gots ta work your feet, indeed.
[info]koganbot
2008-05-18 08:56 pm UTC (link)
Er, well I don't know that it is the only one that fits the template; just assumed it was.

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